Look when we right click some event and choose replace then move to group
Whatever event we had selected and even if more than 1 was selected ALL that will go into that group we just created
And that is expected since we REPLACE it
If we right click any event and choose Add > For each object
It DOES NOT replace our event it just add one below whatever we clicked
So i say Add > Local variable should Add/create new event with local vars BELOW whatever we clicked instead of replacing what we clicked
This is not major thing but its annoying
I have more than 2 but lets say i have 2 layers
I need to adjust effect on each of them separately
So for better visual representation i split them into two events
However when i right clicked one of them and choose ADD>Local Variable
It was replaced with local variable event
Instead of local variable being added below
I did not ruin anything for me just wasted my time
Cause now i need to cut out all actions from there and move all my actions to separate event so i can move both events with effect actions under local variable event as sub events
Like i said its not end of the world
Now imagine wanting to do same thing as i did but having there letâs say a little more actions
Not to mention conditions
Now i think we should have some means to select all actions or conditions from event without selecting event itself
ANYWAY again its ADD local variable not REPLACE with local variable
So it should add something not change something
AND DO NOT get this as request to move local variable from ADD menu to REPLACE menu
I ask for it to create new event type below just like we have with repeat and repeat for each and so go on
An event with local variables is not an event type. Itâs only a plain event to which you added local variables. The local variables can be removed if they were added by mistake.
If it can help, the shortcut to create an event is Shift + A and the one to add a local variable is Shift + L
From a UX perspective, local variables are closer to an âinvert conditionâ than they are an event type (for each, repeat, group)
I am not sure making them add a separate event block makes sense because they arenât designed to exist on their own.
It feels like making them behave like for each or repeat (or even like group/comment) would break a lot of peoples existing workflows, or confuse people trying to learn how to use them.
If anything, I would think local variables should be moved out of that submenu entirely as they are really not similar to them at all, and should be listed more like the disable event option in the menu.
That is just my initial feeling at first review, though.
Letâs make what i like to call caveman test
We just for whatever reason regressed back in evolution to caveman level of intellect
We donât know how stuff work but are fast learners
SOOOO
I right click event i choose Add > Event group
Even better what should happen if i right click that local variable afterwards and click delete?
Remember think like caveman and donât answer with what you KNOW will happen but what should happen based on your observation of two previous examples
And now we can have conversation about what next
I donât care what it does
I care for it to be in right place which would make sense
For me it should be under Replace sub menu
Or if its to stay in Add then it should add and not replace event
I agree to this little fixâŚanother one i would like is the swap between the home icon and the game propierties hamburger icon ( i mean the home should be to left side imo)
The event group is nothing more than a label. When you first add an event group, it is positioned above the event you were clicking on, the same way as when you paste an event. Then it works exactly like an empty event⌠you can drag it around and give it sub-events. I never knew about the âadd to event groupâ option⌠like a proper caveperson I just drag my events to the desired position
Anyway it looks and acts like any other event, just filled in with a different background and large text rather than conditions and actions. If you select it and delete it, you delete it and all of its sub events. Same as any other event block.
Similarly, any event that has local variables, repeat for each, etc. will behave exactly the same way. The gray bar that shows local variables is part of the event block, not its own entity. If you just left click on the gray bar, you wonât see an outline on just that region⌠the selection outline goes around the whole event.
Look this is not any serious issue
This is matter of consistency
That is why i explained it via caveman test
If we would come to gdevelop today
Like today is our 1st time using it
can you tell me with hand on your heart that we would NOT be confused why other stuff from ADD menu adds something
Where this very one local variable option is converting/replacing our events instead of ADDing
While there is Replace menu
That is the issue
No one is stupid enough to watch out after noticing it once to make it to some empty event
And not to mess event they would possibly not want to convert
But at the same time no one should watch out
That is the point of UI to make sense
And not for any1 to remember exceptions
Which can be fixed by modifying their behavior or their placement in context menu
And donât get me wrong i get that you are trying to help
But we should work toward fixing cause of issue and not the result by finding workaround
The thing is, when you add a local variable, you can see that it attaches to the event you selected. Youâre adding variables to the event. It is slightly different than the other options in that menu, I agree. But since you can see visually what is happening, it doesnât seem confusing to me. Replace menu would not make sense⌠you arenât replacing anything, just adding variables to an event block. I mean really you could put a gray bar on all the events to say âno variablesâ but that would just be a distraction
Anyway, being able to select-all would be really nice.
Replace does not mean change it with something totally different
Replace means change it with something that is not the same while it can be almost the same
So if your event keeps all conditions and actions
BUT event itself is not standalone event but event with local vars
Then it got replaced
There can be tons of situations where you would NOT want it this way and it being only added as new event above event you clicked just like repeat event
Core idea here is not like you describe to see something and know something to be able to workaround
But to make sense to what should happen after clicking something from same menu
You should choose whatever from Add context menu
And each option there should do exact same thing event wise
There is NO you can this you can that
It should work same for all options there
And if one of them works same as something from other menu
Then either functionality should be changed or place of that option in context menu
Imagine arrow keys would be used to move up and down on events sheet
BUT key down would expand hamburger menu instead of moving down
And someone would come here telling you that you can use numpad 8 0 to navigate up and down
NO that is not the solution to cause of the issue but solving its effect
Which is wrong
Either both arrow keys should open something or both should navigate trough events sheet
I would not want it this way. How would you add local variables to existing events? Are you saying there would be two different menu options, one in the âaddâ menu to create a new event with local variables, and one in the âreplaceâ menu to add local variables to an existing event?
Move events to Group is just a shortcut for adding an event group, and then moving the selected event under it. I have never used this and didnât know it existed until now, and I think it is not intuitive for this option to be under âreplaceâ. This could partially be a transliteration issue, since the word replace technically just means âplace againâ but is colloquially used to mean âremove and put something else thereâ. As in, I replaced the apple with an orange. Thatâs not exactly what the event grouping option does, instead it adds a group and then âplaces againâ the events. I would have called this menu âMoveâ instead.
Adding local variables is different because youâre really just editing the properties of existing event blocks. It wouldnât make sense to select a whole bunch of events and add local variables to all of them, for example.
Just cause you donât use something does not mean others also
I donât use mobile app
I would say letâs remove half of buttons we have in UI cause we have hotkeys
And you are justifying your logic by what you think should happen
And not by what is happening using any other Add event option
You are bending your arguments to theory you find accurate
And not to what is in fact functionality accurate across other options under Add menu
We can argue all day
But until facts will change i hardly have anything to add here
However i am open to reading any ideas and possible solutions if they will be functionality accurate
