The push for AI needs to stop

Ive noticed that the engine has been heavily leaning into AI with the “Ask AI” button and now plastering AI buzzwords all throughout the website.
If you as a game engine are like “Stop learning how to make games just ask AI to finish everything!” you will lose the trust of people in the game dev industry. Kenny has already backed out as a sponsor and i fully support him doing that.

If anyone else dosent want Gdevelop to go into the direction of an “AI game engine” then we should make our voices heard for them to not do it

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You reference Kenney’s tweet. I’d like to clarify that a complete discussion between Kenney and the creator of GDevelop did take place on Bluesky regarding AI. I encourage you to read that exchange, as it provides important context.

If you as a game engine are like “Stop learning how to make games just ask AI to finish everything!” you will lose the trust of people in the game dev industry.

This is neither what we say nor what we want.
We do not want creators to stop learning how to make games.

AI in GDevelop is a feature, designed to support and assist, not to replace learning or creativity.
Removing it would disadvantage users who already rely on it and find value in it. Like any other feature, if it does not suit your workflow, you are free not to use it.

AI is often perceived as a magic button that can do everything in one click.
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t—but it is often overlooked that AI can also help with understanding, structuring ideas, and learning.

The chat mode, enabled by default, is designed for this purpose:

  • to make public documentation more accessible (documentation many people never consult),
  • to exchange ideas and think through problems with the creator,
  • to explain the engine’s capabilities and limitations,
  • to accompany creators in a mentor-like way, similar to how a guide, or friend might.

The agent mode is meant to execute what has been planned in the chat.
However, AI is not creative. Asking it to “make GTA 6” will inevitably produce results that are incoherent and far from expectations. Vision, creativity, and decision-making remain human responsibilities. It is up to the creator to define a clear direction and describe what they want in detail.

AI does not “finish everything.”
It helps some creators catalyze their ideas and make them more tangible when starting from scratch—especially those who do not watch tutorials, do not read documentation, do not participate in forums. Everyone learns differently, and not everyone approaches learning in the same way before getting started.

GDevelop has always been designed to make game creation accessible.
AI fits within that philosophy: it can help people get started, understand concepts, and learn—but it remains a tool. AI is what you make of it.

We understand that AI can raise questions and concerns. After reading the Bluesky discussion and this explanation about learning and the fact that AI is not a magic solution, what are your main concerns or open questions today regarding the use of AI in GDevelop?

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I would also like to inform you that our documentation mentions the points regarding AI privacy and how it works.

Still, you don’t need AI in an no-code game engine. You were supposed to inspire people to make their own games not push them into the AI saga.

Also, loosing Kenny’s support over AI is a big loss for GDevelop.

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The problem isn’t what the AI can do, or how it’s used, it is the AI itself.

Exactly. Whether or not the AI is the most helpful tool in the world, or completely useless, people tend to assume that the AI will be a magic button.

The main reason that people like to make games is to enjoy the process of designing, coding, and bug fixing games. When you say “AI”, people will instantly think “This AI will be able to completely make a game for me.” People who don’t want AI to make a game for them will then instantly continue to look for a different game engine, without even looking into the AI to realize “Oh, it could make a game, or just be a helpful tool”.

Overall, I’m fine with the AI staying in the game engine. The problem that users such as myself are having is that it feels like GDevelop is really pushing the AI. Currently, the engine feels like “Make a game with GDevelop and it’s AI!” but I think it would be much better as “Make a game with GDevelop! If you want, we also have an optional AI!”

Hopefully this was easy enough to understand, and I hope @Snesonix and I are on the same page. I’m open to answering any other questions you have about this :smile:

Quote from AquaEcho that fits really well…

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Lol. Here we go again… I’ve seen the same thing happen to artists, photographers, writers… and so on. Whether we like it or not, AI will replace a large part of things… it’s now inevitable. Just accept it… it’s already out of control… lol.
So if I were a developer, of course I’d keep my creation up to date with the times.

Am I in favor of AI evolving inside GDevelop? No… definitely not.

Actually, I think that over the past year there have been a series of wrong choices in development (just my opinion), jumping from multiplayer, to AI, to 3D, to savestates cough …custom…ugh objects.… etc.

Sure, they’re all extremely useful features for everyone, but none of them (in my view) are really usable in their current state.

In my opinion, they should take a step back and start going deeper into the existing features, and once those are truly complete, move on from there…

This is what happens to me when I open GDevelop…

‘Ok, what are we doing today? Let’s make something in 3D… wait, the model doesn’t support skeletons.

Let’s make a platformer with Tiled… wait, the collisions need to be fixed first.

Let’s make a pinball or billiards game… wait, the physics aren’t good enough.

Ok, let’s make some enemy AI… wait, custom objects don’t interact in the scene.

Let’s make a savestate… wait, you need to prepare the extensions first… and so on, and so on…

I’m not a developer, and if I’m wrong you can absolutely shut me up, but this is what happens to me.and I’m not exactly new to the engine.

Just saying… are we reached that point where we need to stop for a moment and think?,

or we can keep going… I don’t know for how long… just adding more and more things.

I mean… I don’t want the engine to do everything for me, but if a feature exists… and it works, why make it work only halfway?

… for now… I’ll keep following along… I’m slow anyway.

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I am old enough to remember visual coding and no code engines once raised similar concerns and started arguments until Unreal Engine introduced their visual coding tool called Kismet. Only then people started accepting it and attempt to replicate it, re-imagine it.

I think it is going to be the same with AI and we can not blame GDevelop the company and people in general to explore these new technologies, experiment with them and use them however they see fit.

By the end of the day, AI is optional nobody is forced to use it. Maybe one thing worth considering is to make AI a separate subscription and do Game Jams that may prohibit the use of AI entirely and Game Jams that may place AI in the frontline to level the playfield for everyone.

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A whole essay to say, Uh no we won’t stop. Listen jumping on trend (Terrible trend too) won’t make thr company go from mid to billionaire in a sec. If devs become depending on AI, it will kill all creativity. Also just reply in simple terms, no need to make a whole to say some basic stuff

I genuinely wonder how words of ppl like you affect ppl who are not like you

JUST TO BE ABSOLUTELLY CLEAR
I never used gdevelop AI i don’t even use chat gpt or any other stuff that is AI
Not cause i don’t want/like AI but because i just don’t need it

I am pixel artist i can draw my assets myself
In fact when i draw them they are exactly as i want them and not as someone/something made them
Audio i can find TONS of sounds and music online for free
Logic i can build myself i have enough knowledge to make games i want
No need for AI in my eyes

But i do remember when i came to gdevelop
I was asking ppl (in fact you can look my 1st messages here and on discord) not how to do something
But literally where to click
Being at mercy of other ppl who not enough would need to invest their time to tell me what im doing wrong and how to do it right
But also where click and what to type somewhere for it to work

And it was very often not happening
At best i was getting vague answers that did not make sense to me cause i knew nothing about engine

If i would have AI back then that would answer my questions i would totally use it

I would want to learn how to do something and not something do it for me
But i need to learn it from something/someone

You and every single user who is complaining here will not sit here or on discord and solve problems of other users who are in need
Knowing absolutely nothing same as i did when i come here

Only thing i don’t want gdevelop to become is leave ppl no option but to use AI
But if AI is optional then any request of removing it is so bottom line selfish and should be taken as an attack on ppl who may want to use it
Or need to use it to learn anything cause there is no help for them from you and ppl like you

Cause right now only instance i see are ppl who complain about AI is cause they DO NOT WANT IT
Not cause its forced
Not cause its doing any harm
But cause its just there

I don’t drink alcohol cause i don’t like taste of it
I would wish alcohol not exist in this world
But never it would come to my mind to even start debate to remove it
Knowing some ppl may like it

Then i wonder
Will you donate to gdevelop
Or any ppl that complain about AI will?

Cause right now to my understanding AI is one of sources of income for gdevelop (where you still have free requests so its not pay walled up the A**)
And ppl like you are expecting to cut it off without offering anything in return
IDK if that comes from being selfish or from not thinking it trough
But for sure it does not come from concern for other users

ANY1 reading it look objectively
Someone here will complain about AI
They will say ppl should learn how to do games and not let AI make games for them
OK i totally agree
But WHO of you will help them learn?
You won’t read any documentation or watch some tutorials or examine some examples and magically know how to make games
You will need help
Ppl who complain about AI do not offer that help
Often they even don’t help when they can help
And yet you ppl have balls to requests to cut out something that could help others?

I was called many things here
But never any1 could say i am doing anything against other users
To prevent their chance of finishing their games
And i am proud of that

You on other hand
Only words i have to say are ones for which i would get banned
Cause what you are doing is not dictated by care for other ppl to get better
Its dictated by biased opinion against AI
And no will to help other users learn anything

Bouh clearly stated and that should be obvious
AI is to help and not to replace anything
So its optional
And not something any1 needs to use

If you and ppl with your views on AI will sit here and on discord 24/7 answering questions and helping learn gdevelop and try to deduce what they are doing wrong

I will totally support your view
But never until that happens

Lastly i just want to ppl start to think
Imagine you just came to gdevelop
You see some examples and you can learn from them
And now you have fair chance of finishing your game

Now some user come and complain about AI so we remove AI from gdevelop
BUT turns out in process we also remove some of examples cause they were made with AI
And we don’t want AI do stuff for us

Do you grasp the concept of you just cut off some users from knowledge?
Not offering any knowledge or any kind of help in return?

@Bouh Maybe we are not friends
And maybe that is for the better
Cause you will see this as something genuine and not me trying to be nice to you
I really feel sorry for you that you need to defend and explain idea of something that is optional
And that in fact can help others
And which will do something that ppl who complain about it will not do

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ZeroX4, I completely agree with what you are saying.

The AI is optional, and that’s fine! I know there are plenty of people out there who have used it, and plenty of people that will use it. In fact, I can imagine it being very useful for some people’s games!

This thread isn’t really talking about how useful the AI is, but instead how much GDevelop is pushing it.

Same! The problem is that this is what new users see when they go to GDevelop’s main website:


The main takeaway from skimming over this is “Make games fast with GDevelop and its AI”

So to summarize, I’m personally indifferent to how GDevelop’s AI works, but if one of the first things people read about GDevelop is “Make games…AI” then they might leave instantly! That’s the same reason itch forces users to specify “Was this game made with AI?” because some users will completely skip over games made with AI.

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I’ll just express my honest opinion.

I understand that GDevelop needs money to exist, and the rise of AI seems like the easiest way right now to make money. But is GDevelop really big enough to risk its image like this?

As things stand, you rarely see people online comparing GDevelop to major game engines such as Unity or Unreal. That’s because GDevelop is still missing many of the features that those engines offer. Personally, I see GDevelop as a great engine, and I believe I could build my work and hopefully my living with it someday, but most people don’t feel the same way.

Many people see GDevelop as a simple engine, often comparing it to Scratch. Add AI into the mix, and people will start assuming that all games made with GDevelop are filled with AI generated assets and code (Exaggerating of course). As things stand right now, there’s little reason for someone with good coding skills to choose GDevelop.

Now, the AI in Gdevelop is currently harmless. It is mostly advertised as a way to learn faster. A bit of a shame in my oppinion cause I do enjoy your tutorials.

As per your example the AI can do the following:

This is a very good use

  • to make public documentation more accessible (documentation many people never consult),
  • to explain the engine’s capabilities and limitations,

However this…

  • to exchange ideas and think through problems with the creator,
  • to accompany creators in a mentor-like way, similar to how a guide, or friend might.

I don’t see why this can’t be achieved through the forums or Discord, like we did for years or by using Chat GPT directly. As much as I hate OpenAI, Chat GPT can already provide all of the above for free and likely with more detail.
Also I don’t want to sound harsh, but nowadays everyone wants to be a creator without putting in the actual work required. If you’re not willing to research and improve your skills, then art isn’t for you. Yes, I consider game development a form of art.

I don’t know the full details of the Kenney situation, but me, as a very mediocre artist, I understand his concerns. You spend years creating assets, and suddenly millions of people aren’t just using your work for reference, they copy it and generate something similar in seconds without giving you a cent.

Creators are afraid, the market is oversaturated and big corporations are trying to earn money from everything. There is a HUGE confusion online about what AI can do and what it can’t do.

I think most of us just want to know

  • How deep Gdevelop is willing to dive into the AI hole? Chatbot assistant is fine and I support it. Actual Generative AI is where you start collecting haters or AI enthusiasts.
  • If the resources spent are actually going to the development of Gdevelop as a proper big game engine that will be able to compete with other engines.
  • How much it costs for Gdevelop to maintain their AI chatbot? Does it affect the development of the game engine? Recent release notes always mention AI somehow. We appreciate that you are open, just want to know. There was also a rise in your subscription prices recently and we don’t know if the AI affected any of your decisions.

Gdevelop should decide what their actual target audience is and stick to it.

Either advertise an an engine that is friendly to artists and creative people since they can create things without needing heavy coding skills, or advertise as an engine where you can create games with the help of AI.

My comment was made without knowing how much GDevelop is earning or who your actual audience is. I don’t have access to those statistics. Maybe there are no issues at all and the engine is thriving.

From my point of view and my experience with the engine, especially now with the dedicated 3D editor, things are getting better and better. I just don’t want the engine to suddenly lose its following because it starts advertising itself primarily as an AI engine.

But yeah, from a marketing perspective I understand the need to advertise and follow the trends.

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Now my deeply personal opinion is that I absolutely hate generative AI and I see no reason for it to exist aside for just replacing artists and staff. Or fixing my grammar hah. Cause who are we kidding, what is the other reason?
In the corporate world
Drastically reducing workload = Reducing Staff and AI is the solution to this.

I wrote this from my heart because I love GDevelop and want it to succeed. With GDevelop, you can already make a game pretty quickly. The interne is filled with things we will never experience. We still have a ton of man-made games to play so why the whole world is rushing straight to the finish line?

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I agree with your post.

(In a non-weird way), I would love to see how much GDevelop is spending on AI and also if it is making them a decent amount of money. That could change my opinion on the matter.

I’ve used ChatGPT a lot before, and I personally am neutral on Ai usage. I don’t absolutely hate it, but I also don’t think it should be written across the front page.

How I see it, this post is less about how much we as the GDevelop Community like AI, and more about "Will people leave GDevelop because the front page says “AI” on it?

(Also,I’ve already talked about “disliking” GDevelop’s AI in the past: GDevelop’s AI: Is it really needed?)

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Not sure who they are trying to attract by having AI support in GDevelop and market it as an AI game engine. For sure it’s not going to be indie game makers or people that would like to learn to make games or test their ideas.

Almost sounds like GDevelop is looking for sponsors/invenstors and one way to do that is to put on the AI hat.

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See the chat bot stuff ain’t really bad, but it always starts with 1 thing then goes out of control. I’m saying this because AI doesn’t create stuff but take pre made stuff by humans n take it all then put bit by bit in all ways, and doesn’t give credits to the creators.

Worst of all I’m afraid Gdevelop putting all the resource in AI then once the big bubble blows, they go down with em. I don’t wanna my favorite game engine go that way.

I see GDevelop compared to Construct more than any other engine, and it gets mentioned fairly often in the Construct community as a cheaper/free alternative.

GDevelop is getting users from its AI push. You can see some people praise it in their Play store reviews.

The biggest threat to game engines (not just GDevelop) right now is AI. Google’s Project Genie “walking simulator” showcase just caused Unity’s stock price to dump ~30 percent.

Ugh I just saw Project Genie.

This is beyond depressing

Funny cause i totally disagree with you

Your opinion here does not come from concern for other users
But from biased opinion on removing something

We have integrated Piskel
I think Pisekl is very poor image editor
And ppl should use libersprite which is free or GIMP or any free online image editor out there

And that is exactly what im suggesting to ppl when i see they use Piskel
But i would never imagine asking for removal of Piskel from gdevelop if i do not have something in return
I won’t be able to adapt libresprite GIMP or any other image editor into gdevelop so its built in

So me asking to remove piskel so ppl are forced to use anything else
Does not come from the fact i want ppl experience to be better
But from fact i do not like how limited piskel is
I say keep it but use something else if you can
If you don’t need to use it and its just there then we should not care

Then you try to hide your argument behind
Well ppl will see “gdevelop free open source no code … AI”
And they will leave
GOOD let them leave
Cause if they cannot read that AI is optional and its just there where they don’t need to use it
Then i don’t see them as valuable assets to this community
TONS of us did not ever use that AI from gdevelop we even don’t like it
But we are more than aware some ppl may want to use it so we prefer to keep it there for them
If it helps them and do stuff we won’t do for such ppl then that is only for the good
Same with piskel
I won’t cut spritsheet into individual images for every other user
If they can do that with pisekl then i am happy we have piskel even if i don’t like piskel

You or any1 from this topic will NOT sit and help every single user here
Or even try to answer all questions you will see here or on discord
How can you even advocate for removing something that would do it?
Something that can help someone get further with their projects?
Neither you nor any1 advocating for removing AI will not constantly supply money to gdevelop which AI would generate

You are not acting in best interest of users
But only yourself
Cause you think AI is bad and you do not want to scare off ppl who see AI as something bad
And what about ppl who see AI as something good?
What about ppl who see AI as their last resort of help cause neither me neither you neither any1 else was able to help them?

You can try and justify your motives all day and all night
I will not be able to see in it anything else than being selfish
And being bad actor against ppl who may find this feature useful and helpful

AI is not forced AI is not mandatory
AI is totally optional
Day 1 when gdevelop will force us to use AI to make games
I will not stand next to you
I will stand in front of you and hide you behind my back and go attack gdevelop for such decision alone with worst words i can think of
But until that day i cannot even imagine trying to advocate for removing something that can help someone

And allow me to repeat
You are concerned for word “AI” will scare of users from gdevelop seeing it on their main page as part of description of what gdevelop is?
And you genuinely do not care for ppl which it may attract?
The revenue it can generate?

Again its optional so?

On top of that
Imagine AI in general will not disappear from internet
Right now gdevelop have chance to have their own AI bot trained to answer gdevelop related questions in better way than any other chat AI
So maybe for you gdevelop is doing itself harm for having AI
Now imagine how much harm it would do to itself by dropping it
There are already AI maniacs who see some software do not have AI and they see it as old trash they will not touch
And best part
Wanna guess who trained that AI you want to get rid off so much?
I gonna give a tip
His nickname rhymes with Douh

You know how i know you and ppl like you don’t have good intentions?
Cause you are not fighting/requesting/demanding gdevelop to CLEARLY WITH ALL CAPS LETTERS write that AI is optional
And can be totally ignored
Nah you ppl are advocating for removing it
You do not want to fix problem
Nah you are here to advocate for solution that would appeal to you and ppl like you
And not would make everyone happy and doing as little harm as possible

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I try using the ai and its trash, i think is proposite asking a lot of questions for generating an fix just so the user need to pay to use it. And the response… Well is better use ChatGPT.

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I’m not against the use of AI to answer questions and merely assist, but if the community can’t provide assistance, how will AI?

It gets its answers from forums and similar sources. If there’s nothing to draw from, it will only generate poor answers or like many times, answers that have nothing to do with Gdevelop.

Also, if someone uses a program solely because it includes AI, that says more about them than anything else. I don’t think we need or want that kind of users here. Why only showcase people who don’t support AI as the bad guys? Not sure if you understand it, but AI advocates are the ones who want to replace all of us and create games with the touch of a button.

And don’t get me started on Discord. It’s the worst thing that happened to online forums ever. People post their questions there, but good luck finding an answer if you have a similar question or aren’t part of the server. If everyone used the forums, then everyone would be able to get their answers easily. All you need are basic internet browsing skills.

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Guys, seriously… it’s really simple.You look at the situation as it is now, without imagining how it might be. If a piece of software wants to “keep up with the times,” today it has to implement AI, otherwise it gets left behind. All the basic software Windows, Acrobat, Photoshop (even GIMP), etc. have already added it. Copilot is right there… do you want to use it? No? Fine, go ahead… (I’d love to see how many people have truly never used it). You dunno how many artists,photographer,writers ecc…ive ssen complaining about AI…but it’s too late…it’s here.

The problem in this thread, in my opinion, is that some users get annoyed because they feel their efforts aren’t being rewarded, especially when you see someone else pump out a Pong clone in five minutes (okay, even that would be a stretch). And honestly, there’s not much to be jealous about…

I see people calling “games” things like toss a coin…
Real games are something else entirely. ,
And this is the ONLY reason I upvoted this thread… nothing more.

I still think there are better priorities, and I’d prefer more thoughtful planning when it comes to new features.

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