And good you are against it
If its optional and its there then no one needs to use it and nobody should care
If any1 really think AI is doing harm to gdevelop they should here request on each step for it to be pointed out that gdevelop have AI assistant that is totally optional
And that should solve the problem
Neither you neither me and no one is is entitled and even better is not qualified to judge ppl who want to use AI
We as devs should care for others to be able to finish their games
Not everyone come here to learn how to make games some ppl just want to make games or have some logic working
And they do not need to learn/know how exactly it works
Some users here who give most valid answers and are very active i don’t see on discord
And vice versa i don’t see some ppl from discord who give valid answers and are active to answer anything on forums
So it is good thing we have both
I am reading messages of users here and i cannot find any valid argument against AI
All i see is AI is bad cause its bad and i don’t want it here
You gonna say AI answers are trash?
Well i can send you in private message links to users on this very forum who are giving answers that are just bottom line (very very bad word here)
And nobody is doing anything about it cause we want to be polite
We do not want any1 to feel bad when they try to do something good even if what they do is not good
But their motives are noble they want to help
But AI is giving bad answers
Ok let’s kill it with fire
All arguments against AI see here simply have no sense and drift very far away from any logic
YES i will admit that some ppl will avoid gdevelop cause it have AI
But then let’s also agree that AI will attract other ppl
You will never make everyone happy
And AI won’t go away from our lives cause we do not like it
You care about gdevelop?
So how can you advocate for removing AI if other softwares will have AI and it will just make gdevelop fall behind?
Heck even better
If AI will generate income for gdevelop then ppl who advocate for removing AI are literally wishing for gdevelop to bankrupt
I actually believe this is exactly why we’ve ended up in this situation.
A game engine is meant to make games, not to teach how to make them and id say not to create one for you.
If the system is too advanced, or if someone just wants to make a simple hello world, that’s fine… but as a developer you can’t treat these kinds of users as the baseline for designing a game engine.
How many features have we had to push back against because they were limited for one reason or another?
Take variables, for example. They’re now mandatory declareds because,according to what was said,users kept “forgetting” variables in their projects. …so?.. Really? That’s not my problem.
And I could go on: extension limitations, physics engine limitations… and now AI
So forgive me if at this point I’m being more direct. As many people know, I’m straightforward by nature,I don’t like beating around the bush.
If a user can’t even make a hello world in GDevelop, they can come to the forum and we’ll help them. But if after trying everything they still can’t manage… then they need to move on. It’s not for them. Period.
We shouldn’t be modifying the engine to accommodate this type of user. I’m absolutely convinced of that.
If the reason behind these changes is something else, then sure, we can keep discussing it.
But this has been the reality for quite some time now.
Wanna add too that the recent gdevelop streams, as cool as the idea is, almost everything Florian does is ask the ai how to do the thing he wants to do and it’s like, I get it but it just feels lazy coming from THE GUY who made the engine.
I like gdevelop because the visual scripting system it has is very good and intuitive compared to so many other engines and their dumb blueprints stuff, but what’s the point if you’re just gonna have the ai do the stuff for you all the time.
Like I personally do not care that the engine has ai but how much is promoted I have to admit is annoying considering I didn’t get into this engine to have chatGPT do things for me.
Most vibe coders and ai devs use platforms exclusively designed around the AI in mind so they’ll see that gdevelop’s free ai isn’t very good and will just return to whatever else they were using.
I’m not saying it’s useless or that it should be removed it’s just how it’s promoted. When people look for “ai-powered game engines” they tend to look for a game engine that’ll do everything for them if they just type a few words, gdevelop isn’t that and honestly I wouldn’t want it to be that.
There’s also the fatigue that I and many others have with all the web3-crypto-ai stuff in general that would pull some very good people away from gdevelop. Like there’s a chance that had AI not been a big thing, console exports would be a subscription feature already, which is something a lot of people do want.
Again I will say, I’m not advocating for the AI to be removed. I’m just annoyed at how much GDevelop is pushing the AI.
When I read this, I thought you had to be joking. I hadn’t looked into the livestreams yet, but I decided to pull up the most recent one and there it is.
That is actually so crazy that the title of the livestream is “How To Make A Video Game” and yet it is just Florian having the AI do almost everything.
Exactly.
Overall, I’m not specifically advocating for the AI to be removed, but GDevelop should stop pushing it so much. Also, AI being mainly used on “How To Make A Video Game” livestreams seems kinda messed up. Like I understand if one part of the livestream they say “I’m not sure how to make this, so lets ask the AI for help”. But if the whole stream is “Let’s add this! Hey Ai, add this for me. Let’s add this new thing! Hey Ai, add this new thing for me!” it reflects “Please use our AI to make your entire game.” instead of “Ai is a tool that can help make games.”
I get that GDevelop needs to make money, and I bet that AI is getting them a ton of subscriptions, but if they could dial it back a little bit, that would be great.
Edit: I just looked, and on helper Wesley’s livestream, he didn’t use the AI. That’s the type of stream that should be made
AI is a tool. Admittedly, some tools are better than others. I have found it very useful to ask questions to. It has saved me a lot of time that I would have had to spend combing through large areas of events. That said, I realize it’s very controversial. Personally, I upgraded from silver to gold level to get access to better AI tools, with about 9 months to spare on my silver subscription. I’m glad to support GDevelop and all of the great work their team has done. I’d say–if you’re morally opposed to AI, then don’t use it. I understand that stance. That said, I’m thankful to have access to it for a time.
Either way, try not to be too fanatical about your own stance.
If gdevelop is promoting AI i see it as something they believe they need to do to get revenue
Not cause they are A** holes not cause they are greedy but cause that is money they can use for further development of engine itself
As simple as that
Advocating for not promoting AI even if in good faith is nothing else then advocating for gdevelop to have less income and in the process you are adding to vision of gdevelop going bankrupt
Good intentions do not justify bad actions here
You can hide your a** behind “but some users will be scared off gdevelop if they see AI”
Well some paying users will be attracted to gdevelop cause they will see word AI there
Florian showing AI works and that you can use it to build game in videos
Is in fact best example of “hey we have this thing that can help and you can also use it same as i just did to make your game”
THIS is action toward gdevelop success and generating revenue
Standing against it is literally like saying “i want gdevelop to make less money”
Cause NO ONE HERE is proposing anything in return for removing AI or stop promoting AI
Its like you gonna starve to death and i tell you do not eat McDonalds cause its not healthy
But i do not give you anything in return to eat
So even so i have good intentions for your heath
In fact i am leading you to starve to death
Now other factor is other AI bots will not disappear
IF gdevelop now and hopefully later can capitalize on having its own AI that will give better answers than other AI then gdevelop should
Cause if not its like ok we could make money but fak that let’s allow others to get moneyz we could have which could go into making engine better and develop faster
Great plan
Let’s make posts against promoting AI so other AI bots can do what gdevelop AI could do better
Bravo for logic on that to every1 against AI in this topic
We had videos with HelperWesley NO BODY was crying its promoting Wesley
I ask why?
NOBODY will convince me Wesley did not ride on gdevelop fame to build his brand
And i don’t see it as something bad i am just pointing it out
Gdevelop promoted Wesley and all best to him for that
He deserved it
But NO ONE did cry that gdevelop is promoting some guy on internetz
Yet we cry gdevelop is promoting AI?
Like seriously WTF?
Gdevelop is engine that allow us to make games
Not software for us to learn how to code (i mean it still can serve for such purpose but its not only option here)
In fact we all (me included) got lured here by premise that we will not need to learn how to code
And now some ppl are complaining that ppl what to skip learning something by using AI?
WTF?
Please explain cause it simply does not make sense to me
Maybe i am not as smart as others here and i need kick in my balls to see the truth
But right now i really cannot understand how we are ok with ppl skipping on learning how to code but not ok with them skipping on learning some logic?
We already have ppl who come to forums or discord cause they do not want to learn something they are tired of trying to figure out something that don’t work and they just want it to work
They come and ask for help to get ready to use solution and they get that from us
And that is not a problem?
But if AI would do it for them then it is?
PLEASE EXPLAIN?
Then we worry that AI will replace us as teachers for others
DAMN that is like scary as F
But wait a sec
Isn’t it that most of us do not even answer most questions here?
Its not argument against AI taking away what we are doing
But about AI doing something we COULD do which we ARE NOT doing most of the time anyway
Great logic right there
On top of that
I may not answer someone question cause i do not want or maybe i do not like that person or whatever else
Same as you
AI will never gonna respond with
NAH or Sorry not now or I don’t have time or Ask someone else or AI is currently sleeping or AFK
And you wonder why some ppl want AI
AI is always there for any1 to use and to answer
We are not
Its bizarre to me how many of you got brain washed into hating AI not cause its doing something bad
But cause some ppl use it in bad way
IDK how most of you can come here without any shame and instead of looking on what good AI can do to gdevelp even if it only comes to revenue
Or to users if it comes as 24/7 support
You instead choose to put it in worst possible light
Where often it does not even make logical sense
I just want to point out
You may not know what is SkillShare or SquareSpace or NorthVPN or NordicVPN
But for sure you heard about them
Cause they got promoted on YT channels of your favorite content creators
You do not like ads but you watch it cause you know that is revenue for that creator and you want to support their content and channels
Gdevelop advertise their AI and EXCUSE ME you are doing what exactly?
Worst part about this whole story is realizing you got lured into a fab hating AI
Instead of having actual reason to fight against something
Like I said before, I’m not at all opposed to the AI on the platform. I was originally opposed to it (back in 2025 when I first joined) but now that I see other people’s perspective on it, I understand that it is a very helpful tool in the engine.
With that being said, I still think that GDevelop is pushing the AI too much.
If a restaurant like McDonalds advertised the nutrition in their burgers, wouldn’t you agree that a few less people would eat McDonalds? It isn’t changing the burger itself, but it’s giving people a bad taste before they even walk into the restaurant.
That’s how I feel about the AI. If someone who knew nothing about GDevelop went onto the game making livestream, they would probably leave it thinking that GDevelop is a game engine where you use AI to make games. I get that they haven’t looked into the engine, but that is putting out the wrong taste before they have even opened the engine for the first time!
The AI could be the best thing in the world or the worst AI in existence, but if GDevelop is throwing out their engine as “AI-assisted” or “no-code & AI game engine”, people will make assumptions before they have even looked into the engine more.
As a proposal, GDevelop could remove the AI branding, and display AI as an optional tool.
I really hope that you can understand where users such as myself are coming from. I’m not a person who hates AI and will avoid it at all costs, I’ve used ChatGPT before to generate hundreds of lines of code when I did Lua coding. There are probably users out there like myself who came to GDevelop to be able to easily make games. I came here so that I could try actually creating things by myself without AI doing all the coding for me. GDevelop should frame itself as an easy-to-learn game engine with AI there if you need help, not a game engine where you make games with Ai.
Regarding why AI is pushed so hard, what is worth considering is that AI need to be trained and tested, it is something that is very difficult to do with just a small internal team. I’m sure you have noticed when you interact with the AI, you can score and provide feedback about your experience and each and every prompt if the AI did it well or not and what went wrong. For a small team like GDevelop there is no way around this but to make it public and promote it with the hope people going to use it and provide feedback so it can be improved.
Regarding why they even bother, the reality is that AI powered game makers are coming regardless if we are like it or not. Currently there are many teams developing an AI powered game generator including big studios like Google but also small ones like Phaser to make a wide variety of games from 3D open world to visual novels, and GDevelop very soon need to compete with them. As a small company GDevelop simply can’t afford to be ignorant about it and become some kind of beacon of AI free movement unfortunately, but they can make it optional and this is what they have done.
I think its my last message here cause i see i am starting to repeat myself
You do not need to agree with me
I just ask do you understand
When you have a product and you don’t promote it is like letting that product die
In other words you are now advocating for gdevelop to lose potential income it could have from AI
Cause if gdevelop won’t have its own AI which can provide better answers and actually show ppl that it is better (for gdevelop related questions) than other AI bots
Then ppl will use other AI bots and all that potential income will be gone?
You are literally advocating now for gdevelop to lose money it could earn
And if McDonalds would advertise they have burgers with alcohol
Where i do not like alcohol i would go there cause its restaurant which provides food in the 1st place and not alcohol
And i would simply ask is there burger without alcohol
As simple as that
Yes the fact for some ppl that they have burgers with alcohol will scare them off
But for some that will be actually selling point
THIS cannot work one way it needs to work both ways
If you see youtube video with someone cursing a lot using bad words
Some ppl will be like “nah i am not listening or watching this”
While others will be “that is funny let me watch and listen”
IT IS ALWAYS BOTH WAYS never one way
If someone is able to leave gdevelop cause gdevelop have AI or promote AI
That means such person did not care for gdevelop in the 1st place
And i don’t see it as any lose
I do not like gdevelop don’t have this or that
I do not like the fact users like you are allowed to be here not cause you are bad person
But because you often do not understand what you are talking about
And when i try to point it out to users like you everyone thinks i try to humiliate them
Where i just want ppl to understand something
BUT did i leave?
Am i not talking to you?
I am here and we are talking cause i do not give a F about who is here
I don’t come here to make friends i come here to do my part
I can help someone or explain something so i will
If someone is coming here cause gdevelop don’t have something or is not doing something then i cannot shed any tears for such ppl if they leave
Think who exactly you are helping by standing against what gdevelop is doing
Are you helping gdevelop?
Well for sure you are not helping gdevelop earn money this way that’s for sure
Or you are appealing to ppl who don’t like AI
We all turn down on some software cause it cannot do something
When i was looking for my everyday use image editor i checked which is free so i can suggest it to any1 including ppl who cannot afford to pay for software
And does it do what i want like easy HSLA changing
GIMP did
But with some update they changed it from tool (like pencil tool in tool box you just click on tool then on canvas to edit it)
Into it being effect you need to click effects from taskbar > color > then HSLA conversion or something like that
I simply did download at this point older version of GIMP
I did not ditch gimp cause they did something i did not like
All i needed was still there
And now you are trying to advocate for ppl who will leave gdevelop cause gdevelop is doing something?
Gdevelop did not remove anything
Functionality of engine did not change
Nothing is forced to you or any1
Its just promoting something
And you see it as any reason for any1 to leave?
Listen to yourself for a moment
Like seriously just listen
I’m gonna state the actual problem with ai, which is why people like to distance themselves from it in the first place, and that’s that it is created by sourcing the works of millions of people without permission or credit, a lot of creators against AI, such as Kenney, fear that their hard work that they made either for themselves or to encourage creativeness will just be eaten up and regurgitated into an amalgam by an ai created by a rich murderer that will never be traced back to them.
The people who support ai do it to earn money from ai enthusiasts who would abandon it on a whim if they learned the skills to do things by themselves for free.
AI techbros.
Will see the free ai is not as good as ChatGPT or Gemini.
And will go to one of those instead.
I’d argue that if GDevelop’s ai focused on their very unique event-sheet programming and it was trained on things they made, you’d have the perfect counter-argument to the people that dislike generative ai as a whole, but that’s not how it is.
AI is here to stay whether we like it or not, and I like GDevelop as it is, the little ask ai button at the top right does not make me mad in the slightest.
I just feel a little filthy trying to recommend my friends, who are creatives, a very good game engine while also having to go “ignore the ai stuff by the way it’s not what it looks like”.
I love GDevelop and yes I want them to make money, but c’mon, the majority of newcomers came thanks to the announcement that GDevelop was going 3D, and doing something like putting console exports behind subscriptions (since they can’t be open-sourced) could open the opportunity to a lot more profit.
There’s not really a “right” answer. Pushing AI will alienate some users but attract others. We don’t have access to GDevelop’s internal data but presumably since they keep adding to it and AI is a premium feature it is selling subscriptions/credit and bringing in revenue. We know from Google Play store reviews there are some users who use and like it.
GDevelop is pursuing AI, but many other engines aren’t. We don’t know who will come out ahead at the end.
You’ll be reassured when you see the roadmap we’ll be publishing this week.
AI is only one element among many others.
People see “AI” on social media and focus only on that.
Yet I can say that many great things have been in development for weeks. All of them will delight a lot of people, but no one talks about them because no one take the time to check the software’s repository.
It’s sad to see so much negativity focused on a single feature instead of excitement around all the other things already underway and still to come.
Some people are starting to say that the team is giving too much importance to AI and neglecting everything else. This is simply not true. Unfortunately, many don’t look beyond social media.
The public roadmap coming this week will highlight all the other work planned for this year and should reassure you about the balance between AI and other features.
I found a way to use GDevelop from the outside: an AI agent enters my game for about ten hours a day, updates it, debugs it, and, if it wants, can even play it to fine-tune skill balancing. Meanwhile, I come up with a thousand ideas. It’s incredibly fun!
I guess we all got a little caught up on hating the AI!
I will say, if you could make an announcements topic on the forum, that would be extremely helpful. It would make it super easy to go back to each update and see all of the other stuff that got added. But that is a conversation for another topic: New Forum Category Ideas
I’m definitely one of those people, and I apologize for that.
I don’t visit social or other things except the forum because I barely have time to dedicate to my project, so when I do have some, I prefer to spend it there.
I’ve always believed that things keep getting developed even when we don’t see them. I just wanted to say that I’ve fallen a bit behind because of some tests on certain features that ended up wasting quite a lot of my time, since they turned out to be not “completely” suitable for my project and ,“from the outside”, I had the impression that it was the AI train’s fault.
