The push for AI needs to stop

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It is true there are many examples where something was told to be safe and even benefitial to humans like cocain, tobacco, coffein but then later we have discovered their negative effects and now some of them are even banned or put under restrictions. AI is no exception, it has its dangers and risks, but if we take a look at the history and evolution of programming, since day 1 people constantly working toward the goal to make programming more human friendly with creating abstractions so we can do more with less effort.

The way I see it, AI is simply the next evolution of abstractions in high level programming.
We started with Assembly which require very deep understanding of every switch and logic gate how they work in our computers.
Then Fortran, Cobol and C allowed people to forget about that and write human readable code to work with CPU and RAM directly using simple instructions.
Then BASIC offered further abstractions that allowed people to create using just registers, poking values in memory.
Then C#, Python, JavaScript that make it possible to create without concern about CPU and RAM and how the computer works at all.

Now we have things like Events, Nodes, Blocks that make it possible to create without concern how programming languages, compilers and interpreters works or anything at all. But still require people to learn a second language and a new mindset to create and still require some basic understanding of computers but nowhere near as much as Assembly or C.

AI/Natural Language is just the next iteration in this evolution of abstractions in my opinion that allow people to create using their native natural language and their own mindset without concern for anything which I think is very exciting.

If you take a look at the path of programming languages and programming methods developed year after year it is almost seems like we always headed this way and AI is the ultimate destination in this story but it doesn’t mean people can not and will not be able to study computer science.

The industry always going to need engineers and architects but not everyone need to become one just to create. It was always the goal with each abstractions developers released year after year with each programming language and tools. But it didn’t stopped anyone to dive deeper if they desired, C is still one of the most popular programming languages today despite all the higher level languages that followed. It is very unlikely to change with AI after all AI generates actual code and there always be people who wants to understand the code the AI is generating. If you are one of those people, AI is not your concern at all and very likely you already look beyond events and try to understand the code events are generating. It is fun there is nothing to worry about.

However if you are someone who simply enjoy to create using events and you feel offended by the idea you need to compete with people who can’t even understad events then I don’t want to sound arrogant but shouldn’t C and system level programmers feel offended by the idea they need to compete with people wo can’t even understand what a pointer and io stream is or how the CPU and RAM works?

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We all can go to How do i…? section here

And guess what?
There will be a lot questions and many with just wrong answers if any

And in either case you will NOT see there users from this topic even trying to help
Ones who would wish to have any right to tell other users how they should learn or how they should make their games

Posting here against AI instead of helping ppl in How do i…? section
Is best example of do we need AI to do something such ppl won’t
Or do we not

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What im saying is jumping into things cuz other companies do will get you messed up or worse bankrupt yourself.

Think about it, if you have a friend who does bad things and bullies people will you say who yes i want to be exactly like him. No you won’t cuz you know the effects it gives bullying n doing bad things.

Matter fact stop just watch in couple of years, you will see kids/adults who encourage use of AI in everything turn to like drug addicted crackhead.

If you think mindlessly using AI 24/7 is the next big thing, i got surprise for you dude. You will be addicted and become zombie n not even thinking for yourself.

Maybe you encourage others to use it, and watch em become exactly like that. But for i, don’t want to see some kid or adult dude that doesn’t have self control or esteem cuz their whole life people like you told them “oh it’s the next thing and that” and they become mentally unstable n uncontrollably of their actions.

I seen the bad things that doesn’t require effort bring to the world and to the people specially kids.

But who am i kidding? All you’re thinking is “Oh it’s the next big thing”. I’m sad to see people like you encourage others to use stuff that harms them even more from inside out.

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The one’s who know the engine way more and experienced, won’t help others but once someone says anything against AI, they all get active and make arguments like “Oh that company is doing it, so Gdrv must too”.

It’s a feature that’s going to bring harm, maybe not now but i tell you this. There will be time where thinking and even trying to code for yourself will be looked as bad thing and the devs will push it more.

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Zero there’s not actually much happening to in the how do I section …perhaps they’re all asking the ai? Keith’s got most things covered anyway!

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Yes but that is not the case every single day
And we can literally scroll down to check how many questions are left without answers
And how many WHO exactly did even try to answer

And my argument will still stand
How about yours?

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I think I may have made the wrong impression, I do not encourage anyone to use AI instead of events or any programming language but I do believe AI can be a very effective assistant to help people with the problems they are facing and a very convenient way to outsource repetitive boring tasks to the AI or to analyse and parse large complex data sets that would take too much time for a human to do. AI certainly has lots of benefits and potentials not only in game development but across many industries.

The danger people may overuse AI and lose the ability to think and solve problems on their own is real, I don’t argue that but I don’t believe just because some people misuse AI or use it too much, it is evil and nobody should have access to it. With this logic nobody should have access to video games, television and social media and nobody argue the negative effects, this is why many games, movies and social media has age restrictions. Maybe AI will also be age restricted at some point.

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I’ve never had an argument that stood for more than a couple of minutes.

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I feel like im talking to a wall everything i said is just going through it n not heard but wutever im out

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I hear you and you have valid arguments which I accept and I agree the danger is real.

However in my opinion the benefits outweigh the risks.

Experienced developers can automate boring tasks and from my experience once you have the experience, 90% of tasks is going to be boring, the same boilerplate and frameworks that need to be setup over and over again just to get to the part you enjoy doing. Now I agree the code AI is generating can be horrible but it is only takes time to change and will change eventually.

Beginners can benefit fron using AI as a tutor to help with explanations and to fill in gaps. Often beginner tutorials and books trying to make things simple by not getting in to too much detail but it can leave gaps in the knowledge that otherwise important to be able to truly understand a concept. AI is a fantastic source to get additional explanations and examples in a polite manner. And it is important because humans tend to give unpolite answers if they think you should spend hours researching instead of asking. It can really discourage beginners, I’ve been there myself I was banned from StackOverflow for asking stupid questions, my topicks was locked on other forums by moderators who believed I should spend more time searching for answers on the forum instead of posting questions. I’ve been there as a beginner and didn’t enjoy it. So I 100% support AI as an assistant and tutor for beginners instead of forums and developer communities.

Finally we need to accept not everyone wants to learn how to use tools and languages and yes some people want to develop using nothing but AI. Is it wrong? Maybe, but there are lots of non-technical people out there who deserve a chance to create as much as anyone else in my opinion. We can disagree on this and look down on these people, call it addiction and blame AI for it but I do maintain an open mind and I focus on the fact that from a technical perspective the idea we can create using a natural language is just exciting.

It is reminds me of the holo deck computer in Star Trek where people created simulations and characters by describing the parameters in words and yes then holo engineers needed to step in and fix it if they created a monster that ignored safety protocols. I did always find this idea exciting and the fact it is becoming a reality in my lifetime is just amaizing in my opinion.

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We’ll see and hope for the best outcome!

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“If a piece of software wants to “keep up with the times,” today it has to implement AI, otherwise it gets left behind. All the basic software Windows, Acrobat, Photoshop (even GIMP), etc. have already added it.”

Dude…
I left Windows for Linux after 30 years of using it because of the aggressive AI push most of all. And there are millions like me out there.
These days no one starts using a program because “it has AI in it”, but so many are leaving exactly because there is. People are getting sick to death of AI and for a multitude of reasons. It has become the “kiss of death”. AI is something that drives users away not to it… The only people who are still invested in AI are bag-holder investors who still hope against hope that their enormous initial investments will somehow still pay off… and they are desperate people, driven insane by sunken-cost fallacy.

All that being said, I am rather neutral on LLM AI as a technology. I use it occasionally. It can be useful if utilized properly and in a limited, controlled fashion. But when something gets labeled “AI”, especially something that didn’t have AI before, that was never a part of its original mission statement, I am gone. I know what it means and I’m too old to waste my time going down with yet another sinking ship.

As I said, it’s the Kiss of Death in this year of our lord (whoever that may be) 2026. If Gdevelop wants to really “get on with the times” they would drop AI like the hot potato it is and do their best to convince everyone that they never even dabbled in it. That is, of course, unless the users and their benefit are not the target of this AI push at all - it is those crazed “sunken-cost fallacy” investors they are trying to seduce. As you may guess, I’d consider that an even worse option.

(And all this at this moment when AI has basically declared itself the enemy of the gamers through the incredibly arrogant behavior of Nvidia and AI giants, the massive shortage of chips which is making actual ownership of gaming hardware much harder for the players and which has forced Steam to postpone its new machine. AI is becoming the villain the arch-nemesis of gamers, and no other group of computer users is more hurt and more resentful of AI and AI industry than gamers and actual game developers (as opposed to corporate publishers). Is this the side GDevelop team wants to pick? The segment of the computer industry that is most hated by gamers and actual small game developers and artists? Do they really want to be associated with the trainwreck that is Windows 11 and Microslop? Really?)

Sure, keep the AI assisted help. That’s nice. Can be useful. No harm done. But to put such an accent on it, both in branding the engine and, quite possibly, allocating serious development resources to it rather than actual material development that actual users are actually asking for is… troubling to say the least.

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And you think I don’t agree with you? The problem is… don’t you think you might be in the minority?

Seriously? …
America is doing everything it can to prevent “other countries” from gaining dominance in AI. I don’t even know how many billions have already been spent so far; in the European Union every country is throwing money at it, not to mention India and other Asian nations. So I’m not sure what you mean by ‘bag‑holder investors’. One thing is certain: small entrepreneurs will be left behind.

Nvidia, for example… do you really think you’re paying €3000 for a 3090 RTX because of a ‘chip shortage’? Or do you think those chips simply aren’t being supplied on purpose?..or you really beieve they’re doing that bcs they’e arrogant??..c’mon…

we can be against AI (and i am), and there are many of us, but opinions, for whatever they’re worth, lose weight when faced with money and with technological evolution, whether voluntary or not.

Even the creator himself warned not to use it… and look where we are now.

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Whatever. The numbers right now tell a different tale. It is 2026, not 2024, just a reminder. And btw, China is not throwing money at it and neither is the EU, not anymore. They may still make noises, but the cold facts are radically different. Just like the promise of AI-enhanced productivity vs the actual results as revealed by recent studies. The only one currently throwing money at it is US via Trump who was bought and paid for by the same AI-peddlers. Their only hope is that he bails them out when the time comes and they have to inflate the bubble even more so they can claim they’re “too big to fail.” That’s the cold, hard reality, the rest is bunk.

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If by that you mean that things are getting worse… yes… I agree with you.

we have 3-4 wars goin on…

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Yupp… The whole monetary-economic system is teetering on the brink of complete collapse. Hence the wars, hence the bubbles. If there weren’t AI, they’d invent something else like, dunno 3D cinema, or flying cars, or something. The actual value of AI, in terms of productivity, is probably close to 1% of what is claimed. And it is on purpose, the only way this machine can go on is through being propped up by incessant stream of money sinks, such as tech bubbles and wars, each one bigger and more destructive than the last. And it will keep rolling on until the spokes literally fall apart. Grim, but that’s what it is. In times like these, those who opt out of the game are those who have a chance of surviving and that’s why I am so critical of Gdevelop’s association with AI. I like the engine and would like to make it my long-term home.

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Your argument illustrate choice better not by how many left
But by % of how many uses one over another

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At the same time idk how you can speak for anyone if you do not know why anyone picks something

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As somebody with Autism who’s starting to make games and supports both traditional coding and traditional no-coding, I am 100% against AI and in fact despise it.

I would rather use my big brain to make things over artificial intelligence any day.

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Trends, my friend, trends… It is not the value, it is the delta that counts.
Also, what “Windows”? Are we talking about Windows 11?
There is a battle going on and we are in a transition period. But it is quite clear in which direction the wind is blowing. If you can’t feel it, that’s your thing. Happy sailing.

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Problem is i do not see win on any side
Either you are all in for AI
Or against it
Does not matter to me

You won’t do art for me or anyone
I won’t do art for you or anyone
And nothing wrong about it
But problem starts when any of us are trying to have any say in how others should gain art for their games (art here is example)

No one is forcing any1 to use anything here
Yet we are getting ppl brainwashed into hate against ai cause its popular now

Just look no further than SuperEthanD message above yours
This topic is about gdevelop adding more and more AI features/advertising it

Yet Ethan felt urge need to express his hate toward AI so that is kinda off topic right there

I do not need AI anywhere cause all i need i can find for free on internet or create it myself when it comes to art or game logic

I don’t see how i should fight any1 who want to use AI to achieve same goals as me
At the same time i do not see how i should convince any1 to use AI for anything

Only battle im in is one for putting logical sense to arguments here
And AI battle is not one for me

Each time i read someone message here i try to replace AI with Piskel
And i try to see how much sense messages of such ppl actually make

Try it its really funny