The push for AI needs to stop

[ZeroX4]

@RMDB That’s the whole point of discussion
To show your arguments and either you are right and make someone shut up
Or you are wrong and someone just with their arguments just shut you up

Look i don’t support ICE
But i can totally support that girl logic cause it actually makes sense

And that is exactly what you did
Someone come here with BS not understanding what he is promoting
And you jumped it like buldozer and in put some logic into it and that BS don’t make sense anymore

That is what good this topic is for
Some ppl don’t think or fail to actually make logic out of their arguments cause their arguments don’t have any logic to back up their claims
Someone else come in and prove that
And ppl learn from that
We can hate AI we can love it or be neutral
But no one wants to buy into BS

If we gonna close this topic
1 - gdevelop would turn out to be a holes cause they cut out criticsm
And i do agree that advertisement for AI in gdevelop should be NO CODE ENGINE with “OPTIONAL” AI assistant
So i agree with changing meaning of it
I do not agree with removing it but way they advertise it can be misleading and i can totally agree with that

2 - ppl will still talk about it just not here
So a new user instead coming here and get valid information from users like YOU who debunk BS behind other ppl claim
Will go to reddit or somewhere else and will be feed with just stupidity
So this topic is very good thing for existing here and allow ppl to talk about AI in gdevelop HERE

I cannot even imagine how many ppl had system error after they agree with someone claim from here
And then after reading yours or someone else explanation about that argument realized what they agree with in 1st place did not make any sense and was not right

Tell me do you really want other users watch some youtube video which is expecting way too much from AI and not even understanding how to use it take information about AI in gdevelop from it?
Or from here?

Cause i for sure want ppl to take info from here since its place that provide valid info since all sides can express themselves
Someone come here with BS and will get called out for it

Youtube video just exist there with author deletining comments
Yeah thanks but no thanks

And i gonna show you something interesting
I blocked Peblo long ago cause he failed to follow any kind of logical sense
Guess who also came in here and failed to follow it?

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You can read it many times you can say i am a hole
But imagine for all devs who create tutorials/guides
Someone jump in and say their stuff don’t work
That is spitting right in their face
Not even having some remorse about it and any dignity to apologize for their words

Look what kind of ppl are coming here
After i pointed out its wrong to insult devs who FOR FREE do content that is meant to help other devs
NO ONE in that thread even care about that
After that it was just miss interpreting my words
NO ONE was even trying to explain to Parasol its not ok to insult other ppl work

And then Peblo links her video?
Bird of the feather i say

I prefer such ppl to post here so they can be called out on their BS
And not on some third party site where they can delete comments and talk even more BS about the topic

So deleting/closing this topic would bring more harm than good

@zGameCreator 11 !!! YOU ARE ADDING STRINGS

[ParasolMushroom]

bro idk WTH you got against me but I never insulted devs. I asked an innocent question and you chose to tare me to shreds. I didn’t understand a tutorial properly and asked for help. I didn’t insult anyone. You’re the exact reason why I haven’t asked for help on these forums. Why am I being dragged? What did I ever do to you? I asked a simple question and suddenly I’m a horrible person.

I don’t understand why you dislike me as I’ve never done anything to you. You don’t have to like me but you don’t have to be mean either. I haven’t done anything.

[ParasolMushroom]

Hey! I never see my stuff in the wild. Thanks for the share :3

[Crowbar_Coder]

@ParasolMushroom

You’re the exact reason why I haven’t asked for help on these forums.

Don’t let that keep you from the forums, ParasolMushroom! There are plenty of friendly people here to help!

[SnowyRawrGamer]

@ZeroX4

To the point you need to explain to them TOOL is only there to help you in your work and not do it for you

Don’t worry, GDevelop would NEVER publicly advertise online that the AI can do everything for you!

Oh wait…

- YouTube

cough

- YouTube

(I get that it says “AI-assisted” but 90% of the time it’s just AI doing it for him.)

Could you agree on 1 thing with me that if someone completely new to GDevelop saw this livestream, they would assume GDevelop is a vibe-coding engine?

[Crowbar_Coder]

Yeah it is quite annoying. I get more satisfaction from making games without AI solving little parts for me: the solving the problems in making games is part of the whole process.

[RMDB]

You’re mixing up the AI used by a competent person with AI used by someone expecting something

[SnowyRawrGamer]

And I totally agree that Ai works as a tool! I’ve used it a few times now to spot spelling mistakes in my sprite names

I think people are getting a bit off-topic in this thread and forgetting what the original problem was:

GDevelop is advertising themselves as a game engine with Ai. People who haven’t used GDevelop before assume that means it’s a vibe coding engine, and “judge the book by it’s cover”.

Edit:

@Bouh

AI is often perceived as a magic button that can do everything in one click.
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t—but it is often overlooked that AI can also help with understanding, structuring ideas, and learning.

Unless someone goes and tries out GDevelop, they have a pretty high chance of thinking that GDevelop’s AI is a magic button.

[Crowbar_Coder]

Yes I agree AI can be used for good in coding as a useful tool! And I agree Gdevelop should stop advertising the ‘AI’ part of it as it can put away customers.

[ZeroX4]

@ParasolMushroom Don’t like you? I don’t even know you
I only seen what you did and was addressing that
Which was

If you would say that about something i did i would not even ask you for anything i would ask moderator to publicly explain to you how welcome here it is to claim other ppl stuff do not work
If you would add in your message (i probably did something wrong)
Then you would be totally justified cause you would admit maybe you are new maybe you don’t know how stuff work and made some mistake
Over 3 years passed and you did not
No apologies no clarification of your statement

On top of that i in my very first message explained to you why it don’t work

I have nothing against you i wanted you to make right thing
Somehow you still did nothing to correct your actions

@SnowyRawrGamer I will not only agree with you on everything
But in fact i will make new topic in general section titled “I was wrong about gdevelop AI it is bad and should be removed”

As soon as you after watching this video below
Gonna admit that since it shows what you can do such drawing in paint
Everyone with MS Paint can do that just by using paint
No skill or knowledge required of what is possible or not
Just have tool and expect it to do stuff

- YouTube

And just for clarity everyone that includes me
And i am somewhat at this level in paint
Yes its my drawing

@RMDB AND AGAIN
Someone is bringing BS to table
You jump in and clarify it

If that is not best example that this topic is useful to open ppl eyes and make them think for themselves
Then idk what else is

Truth about this topic is
If you all who are so eager to fight AI in gdevelop
Would put as much effort into changing advertisement of AI
Like ask for gdevelop to clarify that gdevelop HAVE AI assistant
So no one can confuse is gdevelop AI engine or not
I bet some change would be made and i seen gdevelop change stuff based on user feedback countless of times
In fact i was very surprised they actualy do listen to ppl

But most of ppl in this topic are like NAH let’s just say how AI is bad instead
Let’s just say whatever bad i can about AI cause that is most important
Proving how much you care for any change

You know what i see?
Nothing changed
I still see new users i still see ppl buying subscription
MAYBE i don’t know exact numbers but for sure on how many new users with gold nickname on discrod i see popping up (gold nick means you paid for subscription)
I gonna assume what ever kind of damage you thinking AI is doing to gdevelop
Is just your biased opinion due your views on AI

And allow me to repeat
YES AI made many ppl turn away from gdevelop
But at the same time it needed to attract more ppl since who in his right mind would add to their product something
That makes them lose income?

That is simple math and you don’t even need to think about it too deeply

So how about INSTEAD of trying to prove how AI is bad
You start trying to do something that users are informed correctly about AI in gdevelop?

[ParasolMushroom]

I actually did assume I was wrong. I’m not addressing you anymore. I don’t need whatever negativity you carry with you.

[SnowyRawrGamer]

@ZeroX4

Like ask for gdevelop to clarify that gdevelop HAVE AI assistant

That’s kinda what I’ve been asking for…

@ZeroX4

You start trying to do something that users are informed correctly about AI in gdevelop?

@SnowyRawrGamer

“Make a game with GDevelop and it’s AI!” but I think it would be much better as “Make a game with GDevelop! If you want, we also have an optional AI!”

@SnowyRawrGamer

How I see it, this post is less about how much we as the GDevelop Community like AI, and more about "Will people leave GDevelop because the front page says “AI” on it?

@SnowyRawrGamer

Again I will say, I’m not advocating for the AI to be removed. I’m just annoyed at how much GDevelop is pushing the AI.

@SnowyRawrGamer

Like I understand if one part of the livestream they say “I’m not sure how to make this, so lets ask the AI for help”. But if the whole stream is “Let’s add this! Hey Ai, add this for me. Let’s add this new thing! Hey Ai, add this new thing for me!” it reflects “Please use our AI to make your entire game.” instead of “Ai is a tool that can help make games.”

@SnowyRawrGamer

The AI could be the best thing in the world or the worst AI in existence, but if GDevelop is throwing out their engine as “AI-assisted” or “no-code & AI game engine”, people will make assumptions before they have even looked into the engine more.

As a proposal, GDevelop could remove the AI branding, and display AI as an optional tool.

@SnowyRawrGamer

I’m not a person who hates AI and will avoid it at all costs, I’ve used ChatGPT before to generate hundreds of lines of code when I did Lua coding. There are probably users out there like myself who came to GDevelop to be able to easily make games. I came here so that I could try actually creating things by myself without AI doing all the coding for me. GDevelop should frame itself as an easy-to-learn game engine with AI there if you need help, not a game engine where you make games with Ai.

I understand that it’s hard to look through 270+ replies, so there’s a quick summary of what I’ve been saying throughout this post.

[ParasolMushroom]

This was the point I was making in my video. You don’t have to remove the AI, just don’t make it look like it’s the focus of the engine when it’s not. It makes people have assumptions.

I have no desire to use AI so I can just ignore it. But the presentation gives off to people who like AI oh good I can just make the whole thing in AI. And people like me who don’t like AI see it and it’s like…oh… it’s like that. Maybe I won’t use it if it’s just ai slop generator without giving it a chance. Which is sad because it’s a great engine.

I’m sure once AI isn’t a hot button issue people will just chose to ignore things but it’s so chaotic rn that it’s just gonna hurt the image.

[Ondaluce]

I’ve read the suggestion from several users asking to close this topic. Personally, I think topics should generally remain open, because you never know what new insights, ideas, or questions might come up — except perhaps for topics that are truly resolved, although even there, important questions and ideas can sometimes emerge from subjects that seemed already concluded.

I think this discussion, regardless of everyone’s individual position, works like a “thermometer”: it simply shows how people react when facing a major social change.

AI will still be a work in progress for another year or two. Clearly, “reduced” versions, like the one in GDevelop, will have the expected limitations. Personally, I don’t use GDevelop’s AI; I only use external agents. In recent months they have become incredibly powerful — Codex 5.5 is insane — but the costs are unreasonable. I currently work with Codex 5.4, which directs a small team of DeepSeek bots — and Codex complains about how the bots work, which is honestly hilarious.

I managed to program all the code in JavaScript on a server. My GDevelop games have no events; during preview, they simply read the code from the internet. It’s spectacular, fun, and creative.

I understand those who fear for the old manual way of working, but this is the reality now, and this is the world we live in. Personally, I don’t think I’ll use GDevelop’s AI until it becomes agentic, solid, and based on truly high-performing models — which, unfortunately, are still far too expensive for now.

[Da-Just]

The first time AI was added, they didn’t treat it like it’s everything people know about the engine. But for some reason now all they think of is AI this, AI that.

The AI hype is dying down n becoming mad expensive. So i wonder will they slowly let it get moldy on the shelf or remove it and make up a “reason” to justify it.

It’s just dumb and stupid way to bankrupt yourself, inhopes to gain the investment later. They gonna cut up bad themselves.

[ZeroX4]

@ParasolMushroom Its bizarre to me how you screenshot part of your message that is missleading

And you see no problem with it
You DID NOT wrote what they said and what you seen you did what you wanted
You modified what you was told to do and was expecting same result as they had
Fault is purely yours on why it did not work
AND AGAIN nowhere you apologize for your words neither you clarify them or try to edit your message
My only problem with you is not YOU
But now some new user will come here
Read your message
And will be like “ow so gdevelop tutorials/video don’t work? Well let’s ignore them”
Not to mention that is insulting cause someone do it to help
What you wrote does not help at all

I am here over 4 years
Sharing my knowledge solving other ppl problems in the process to the point some ppl say i saved more projects than ctrl+S
And i made 2 tutorials 1 for saving variables and other for how to make/use bitmap font
And thx to you i decided i won’t make any more of them

You can play innocent here as much as you want
It really won’t change the fact what you wrote in your topic is misleading and wrong
Funny enough here in this topic its also a case of misleading users so you fit right in

Only negativity here comes from you
Sad part about it is you don’t even notice it

@SnowyRawrGamer If i remember Parasol topic after 3 years i do remember all your messages from here
I know your stance here
Problem is what you are doing and not what your opinion is

I hardly see how this message The push for AI needs to stop - #267 by SnowyRawrGamer

Is meant to help any1
Again as you was pointed out by RMDB its misleading

Where what you should be doing is making feature request or idk was there suggestion section or something
To change how AI is being advertised

Videos you linked show how AI can be used
And not that it will do anything you want

Even Parasol fail to understand that
She took AI generated game and expected everything to work
Which was not
And then she complained about it but after that she was trying to say she had other intentions

Nah i remember clearly how in her vid she was acting like AI is garbage cause it did not work
It had nothing to do with how its promoted but with showing how AI is bad

Where in reality what that AI made was perfect base for inventory
Saving you TONS of work and events to create
You only need to adjust/fix it now

IDK how its ok to pretend you meant 1 thing when you are showing other

Whatever point is Snowy
You are not doing what you say you would wish to happen
Decide what you wanna be doing
Try to prove that AI is bad
Or try to make engine be viewed by others in a better way?
Cause messages like your last one for sure is not in favor of making anything better

[magicsofa]

@ParasolMushroom

I don’t understand why you dislike me as I’ve never done anything to you. You don’t have to like me but you don’t have to be mean either. I haven’t done anything.

Don’t take it personally… Zero is like that to everyone.

Unfortunately he does have a small point regarding your video. Please don’t get me wrong - I hate AI and have railed against it at every turn. But, you did ask the AI to “do it all” and the results are not surprising.

On the other hand, I’m not sure why anyone would expect a beginner to know how to use AI with the subtlety that Zero seems to think is obvious. When you’re a beginner developer, you have clear indications when something is working or not. You see your own progress. You make some code, you run the code… you know that the result is based on what you just did.

How is a beginner with AI supposed to navigate anything? The AI doesn’t tell you when it makes mistakes (because it doesn’t make mistakes - everything it does is a guess anyway). The AI just vomits out events as seen in your video, and you’re experienced enough to know that it is garbage, but what about someone who doesn’t know? They will start to think that is how events should be structured. If it isn’t broken, they won’t fix it.

I think that your video is actually a perfect illustration of this problem. You wanted to test drive the AI, but when you get in the driver seat, there’s no road to follow, no guardrails, and the car basically says “I’ll take the wheel, don’t worry about it.”

This is completely different from normal game development. A project doesn’t just spin out of control on its own - you can end up with a wild, disorganized event sheet but only if YOU create it. Whereas the AI is just a bottomless pit, perfectly willing to take 100 steps forward and leave you behind. You don’t just have to be a seasoned developer, you have to be a project manager to use it “correctly.” But GDevelop isn’t saying “hey, if you want to enable expert mode, you can use the AI tools.” It is “hey, are you a complete beginner with absolutely no idea how to manage anything? TRY THIS SNAKE OIL”

To be fair, there is a little bit of information about how to use it in the documentation. But this isn’t even linked from the “Ask AI” sidebar. Just “what do you want to build.” Why would anyone know what the limitations are before going down the rabbit hole?

[MRCVTRZ]

I already said everything I thought about the subject in that post, but it seems the discussions have returned with more twists and turns.

If a certain tool generates more division and confusion than good results, perhaps, just perhaps, the purpose of that tool’s existence is not being fulfilled. Or perhaps it shouldn’t even exist in the first place.

I think the latest interactions in that post clearly show how GDevelop’s AI shouldn’t be promoted in the way it has been. I fully agree that this casts a huge shadow over the tool (which is unique in the market, I must say; there is no other generalist engine as accessible to beginners as GDevelop currently) and leaves a bitter taste in the mouths of would-be artists who are unfamiliar with it and are immediately put off by the negative publicity.

To me, the AI ​​functions are nothing more than a more eloquent version of Clippy from Microsoft Office in the 90s. And that’s how it should be marketed. An engine with an “AI assistant”, not an “AI engine” or an engine with “AI that build games”.

Nowadays, virtually all engine developers are entering the AI ​​race and implementing their own assistants simply because it’s the hot topic right now, but words say much more than their literal meaning, and knowing how to use them to benefit your product is important.

[ZeroX4]

I cannot grasp the fact how i am not in favor of AI neither i am against it
I really don’t care about it
But i see so many ppl come here throw claims that AI hurts gdevelop and they point out its bad cause this or that and whatever

BUUUUUT i somehow from all these users here did not see even a single person make topic in feature request or in Website, Forum & Wiki feedbacks - GDevelop Forum

For something to be actually changed
I am here only to defend logic and point out any BS i see
Well and make fun in the process

On the left original on right what it could look like

If you guys really care about how ppl see engine
If you really care about ppl knowing the truth
I not seeing any topics with pictures like one i made above is just mystery to me

Cause
1 - this topic is just for chat and not to ask for any change
2 - i bet someone would word it better than i did in my picture
3 - you claim something should be done about it

I start to wonder how many of you would see bug in gdevelop and instead of describing it in bug report section so devs can deal with it
Would instead go to how do i section or even general and just complain about something not working as you want and let the problem persist

[superely]

I’m surprised to see that this discussion is still ongoing.

As far as I know, developers are increasingly using AI in all sectors, not just game development.

So this way seems inevitable to me.

And to be honest, it seems much more difficult to use AI in GDevelop, with its event system, than in Defold, for example, by writing code.